The President’s Address to our Children
September 3rd, 2009
*update -Well that certainly got a little crazy yesterday, didn’t it? I had no idea I was opening such a large can of worms, but I am thankful to all of you who were supportive in your comments and who provided encouragement throughout the day. I’d also like to thank the last commenter, Katie, who gave a great example of how to respectfully disagree with someone. Well done!
Katie, I understand your point and would agree with you that there are probably a lot of children who don’t have the benefit of supportive and involved parents. But that does not mean, in my opinion, that the address should be broadcast directly into the classrooms. There are still ways that you could help ensure that all students have the opportunity to see the broadcast, without subjecting everyone to it. For example, schools could open up their buildings in the evenings and offer to show the broadcast to families together.
The fact of the matter is that parents have the right to know what’s going on and what’s being said in their children’s classrooms. No elected official should be allowed to take that right from us.
And as an update, I have heard from Sloan’s school. The broadcast will be made available to grades 3-5 only, so Lee and I feel comfortable sending Sloan to school on Tuesday. We will likely watch the broadcast on our own and we will decide whether or not we think Sloan needs to see it.
Thanks all for the colorful conversation yesterday! Have a wonderful Labor Day weekend.
I posted a status update on Facebook that got people talking yesterday and I wanted to expound on it more here. It has to do with my reluctance and discomfort with President Obama’s September 8 address to students. The President of the United States is going to be broadcast directly to students in the classrooms.
I had more than one person respond or email me asking me why in the world I would be uncomfortable with the President’s address to students. And my response is, why shouldn’t I be? Even if the President speaking to my child was a man I had personally voted for, I would still be vigilant about wanting to know what would be said to my child before, during and after such a broadcast.
My child is six years old. It is my job to be his advocate. It’s my duty to ensure that what he’s being fed at school matches with the morals, values and worldview that we share as a family. And, if what he hears doesn’t match with our viewpoint, then it’s my job to help him process the new information he’s received and filter it through the lens of his developing worldview.
And I don’t agree with the idea that by doing this we are brainwashing our child. We are protecting our child. We do not expect or hope that Sloan will be so sheltered that as he grows he’s unable to respect, hear or appreciate different viewpoints and opinions. On the contrary, we hope that by helping him establish and solidify his own worldview, he’ll better be able to understand and respect the differing views of others.
Obviously, if you’ve read my blog for any amount of time, you know that we are conservative. Some would say extremely so. These conservative views are built upon our worldview, which has been established upon Biblical principles, which we believe wholeheartedly and passionately.
That being said, I have no problem at all with my child being encouraged to enjoy learning and education. I don’t see anything wrong with him setting goals and having dreams about his future. I want him to be excited about learning and education. I DO have a problem, however, with the President of the United States being live-streamed into my child’s classroom without me knowing what exactly he’s going to say, or how any discussion before or after will take place.
I have already called Sloan’s school and spoken with the Prinicpal’s assistant about my concerns and was informed that at this point, they aren’t sure if they are required to show the address by the school board, but if they are, parents likely won’t be asked to join. But, we have the option of having Sloan leave the classroom if we want.
I’m not sure it will be necessary for Sloan to leave the classroom, but Lee and I will be spending some time researching this over the weekend and praying about what we should do. I was told that teachers would be encouraged not to discuss the address – at least at the kindergarten level, but how would I know?
I take issue with this for several reason, the biggest being that I don’t think it’s the President’s business to show up directly in the classroom. If he wants to speak directly to students, great. I think he should do it. But I think it should be done in the evening, on a national broadcast, when parents and children can sit down together and watch. Because, in my opinion, education should start in the home.
Now, the fact of the matter is, I don’t agree with President Obama on a lot of levels and on many issues. I feel like he’s trying to take our country down a path that’s unhealthy and over-governed. I don’t want my President involved in every aspect of my life and I certainly don’t want him coming into the classroom, talking to my child when I’m not there. While I want my children to learn about civics and about how democracy works, political science, I don’t want them being schooled in politics at school.
Finally, I’ve read the press release to teachers, encouraging them to talk with their students. I certainly don’t have a problem with teachers helping children focus on their dreams and goals in education, but I don’t think our children need to be told the story of Obama’s upbringing, his background and so on and so forth. While Obama deserves our respect as our elected leader, he does not need to be placed on so high of a pedestal that our children think of him as a super hero. He deserves our respect, certainly, but not our worship. Is his story inspirational? Sure. But we need to be careful on how much we elevate a fallible man.
So we’ll see what we decide about Tuesday. I imagine we’ll send Sloan to school and allow him to see the broadcast. I am trusting that the teachers at the kindergarten level won’t being facilitating any kind of political discussion. And I will watch the broadcast at home so that later, in the safety of our home, Lee and I can openly discuss with Sloan his dreams, goals and passions for his education.
I realize that there are many who don’t agree with my concern on this matter and I’m okay with that. I’m glad we can have differing opinions and I don’t stand in judgement on those who choose to think differently. But I do take my job as Sloan’s mother seriously, and I have to do what I feel is best for MY child. And each of you has to do what you feel is best for your children. We all share that responsilibity and acountability. And that’s something I know we can agree on.
03 September 2009 | Jan Said:
Wow, someone got up on the wrong side of the bed this morning. And I’m not talking about you, Kelli.
03 September 2009 | Rachel Said:
John. John. John. Allow me to point out one small contradiction of your ranting comment. “I AM a patriotic RIGHTWING AMERICAN MYSELF…” and then down below: …but because IDIOTS LIKE YOU LOST.” I thought you were rightwing? Wouldn’t that make you an idiot too?
K. Just checking.
This whole thing is a tricky one. I’m personally glad that I don’t have a child of school age yet cause I’m not sure what we would do. Kelli, I really loved this post. It was well-stated and your point about doing what is best for your child resonated with me. Particularly because we do things with our kids’ health that puts us in the minority. Isn’t that what we all want? The right to raise our children in congruence with our worldview. I’d take a bet that the left wants that as well.
03 September 2009 | Kelli Said:
Okay – I understand this is a touchy subject and if you don’t agree, I really do welcome your comments…as long as they are civilized. John, I deleted your comment not because I’m some kind of loon who isn’t willing to have discourse, but because I don’t apreciate being attacked for my own personal viewpoints on my own personal blog.
I think I was pretty clear about how I feel in my post and I also made it clear that I understand and appreciate different points of view. But I will not tolerate being attacked. So, please, if you’re not going to play nice, then don’t comment. Thank you.
03 September 2009 | Nicole @ Here's The Diehl Said:
It’s clear that John didn’t actually read what you had to say, Kelli. Way to make an argument, John…filled with hate and name-calling.
Anyway, you know how I feel, Kelli. I just want to know what is going to happen that day re: discussion, etc. I don’t so much mind them talking about who Obama is and his life story, as he’s our president, but I want to be able to help Luke filter what he hears against what we believe, which is difficult for a 6 y.o. What kind of sticks with me is that I don’t like the writing prompts, where children are supposed to think about how they can help the president…hmmm. Last time I checked he was there to serve the people, not the other way around. If they changed it to how people can help make our country a better place I’d be comfortable with it.
03 September 2009 | Kelli Said:
Very well put, Nicole. Excellent point. And Rachel, you’re right. This is not an issue about right or wrong. It’s about what we feel is best for our children. That’s the issue at stake.
03 September 2009 | Michelle Cox Said:
Nicely put, Kelli!
03 September 2009 | john Said:
yea figured you would delete it ha ha…
well number one people like you HIGHJACKED the term rightway/republican and turned it into some xtian filled zombie like cult that does not think for itself and its real values. At least the crazy left loons do disagree from time to time like normal people do.
I was not an “idiot” that I meantioned who lost. Mccain was a fantastic option for president…to bad the people you rep just voted for SP and by fault had to go alont w/ Mccain.
A real republican wants a small leave me alone stay out of my home govt….but why do so many people you rep choose to get into our home and tell others what marraige is. what health choices that can make…
If you choose to just high five each other with how right you are…the people for small govt will keep on losing..because your numbers are smaller…dont believe me..look at 2006…then they said o thats a fluke blah blah blah…then 08…got your ace handed to you…the sara palin people are just about done…
if we dont put up REAL representation soon…and stop having fools like you who are “scared” what are PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES will say….then its a long road ahead…and your right we prob wont get back on track…
03 September 2009 | John Said:
I LOVE HOW THE FOX people have changed their story…when Bush was in charge…ALL WE HEARD IS HOW THESE LEFT AMERICAN hating people cant support are president..
now its…AHH get to work and serve us? wow…nice values…
you seriously wouldnt want your kid to hear the presidents story???
FIRST OF ALL any kid about under 12 doesnt have political views…but they do get a kid without having many connections making it to lead the USA.
03 September 2009 | John Said:
TO really think O NO my child is going to hear views that differ then OURS and O MY GOD he may start to think that way…EARTH TO NUTSO people dont spend their entire lives thinking about politics…has FOX news has you believe…
you cant cheer your guy on and preach about how we love america and you shouldnt differ and support are pres…and then FLIP YOUR TUNE after 1 small election…
you really need to consider home schooling…
03 September 2009 | John Said:
My mom who is a teacher of first grader…had a kid in her class who had parents that were loons like you. Which she isnt into politics whatsoever…
BUT the problem lies after we freely elected by WIDE majority President OBAMA and the next week the lil girl believes Mccain won because her idiot parents would not let her understand that OBAMA won…now THATS confusing a kid…
the fact that your kid is picking up on the fact your scared they learn and listen from the president is weird beyond comprehention…
your paranoia frightens most…
03 September 2009 | Jan Said:
Kelli has never struck me as paranoid. She is thoughtful. She is doing her best to raise a thoughtful child instead of a lemming.
I’m still not hearing John discuss the topic. I’d be happy to read all of his opposing viewpoints if he’d address the topic instead of just hitting his Rant Button.
Kelli is not the topic. The president’s address directly into the classrooms next week is the topic. Just thought I’d clarify that in case anyone is confused.
03 September 2009 | John Said:
well here feel free to discuss the following points..
1. It is quite paranoid to feel that the president who went through more scrunity then ANY other president will say something that would not be beneficial to your child…do you really think he is going to say..”reading is important, working hard, but btw you should love when your taxes raise but gotta run kids I am off to my gay witches for abortion lobbist meeting?”…
2. You seriously wouldnt want your child to learn the story of our PRESIDENT! He came from little means, worked hard, no hookups and become OUR president.
3. You are saying its good to have your child not listen to information from are elected leader? unless what you “screen” it first? thats PARANOID ….
This is stricly about you not wanting them to hear from our president who you can not argue the fact is AN an impacting individual reguardless if you differ with him on policitcal views…he is a Great person, father, and husband to his wife. He is just who your kids should be hearing from…
Lastly if you feel you need to prevent your kids from hearing things you disagree with…they have a long 12 more years ahead….your teachers will state things you disagree with…LIKE SEX!! AND DEVILOUTION!! O NO….must filter must filter…if you want your kid to never hear that stuff…HOMESCHOOL….and I have no problem with those that homeschool…BUT IN A PUBLIC SCHOOL!!! dont whine about things like SEXED which thank god they teach…and other things kids can learn…but its wild that you have “concerns” over what are president will say…
03 September 2009 | DL Said:
John, it’s like this. You’re a smart, obviously tough, progressive type of guy. There’s evidence of that all over your amazing posts attacking a nice person on her own blog. Thing is, nobody cares to hear you calling people loons and displaying your rage via caps lock. That is the mark of someone that’s quite uncomfortable with their arguments.
There are some of us that can objectively take a look at the man’s viewpoints and policies and understandably be concerned. You might want to do likewise.
03 September 2009 | paul Said:
John. It must be crazy there in LA today, huh.
03 September 2009 | Julie Said:
Kelli,
I completely agree with your concerns. I know I have a long was before Kaylee is in school, but one thing I have already decided is that I am not going to just be an “on the sideline” mom. I don’t feel comfortable enough to homeschool and like that my children will get more of a well rounded education in school, but we still have to protect them and make sure they understand what they are being taught also.
The one thing that has struck me as odd with all this, is why are they showing this to 6 year olds anyways? I can see 6th graders, but 6 year olds are not going to understand much of what he is saying, let along have the attention span to watch it. I think I would want to be there also afterwards to see what the teacher would say. I kind of feel like it can go along the lines of religion in school. If a teachers was to push their beliefs on my child I would want to know exactly what is being said to make sure it is the same as our family believes.
I completely agree with you for wanting to know what is going on in your childs life and I am sorry that some creep is attacking you on your blog. I just wish everyone could be civilized and also have as much heart as you have for your children and what is going on in their lives.
03 September 2009 | John Said:
Wow DL did you get a “A” in phyce 101 at liberty….So nice of you to assume progressive people only live in LA…Obama didnt wint because of CAL he won because of the midwest states that put him there.
but nice of you to not touch one single point made….but why not have the 6 yr old see who are president is…and that he should have an impact on our lives has americans…
some creep…now hows the name callers…just completly suggested it was a bit paranoid to be afraid of are elected leader…
and blogs are PUBLIC forums…if you wanted something private to just say how right you are…then start something on a more private place…this is the internet…and when you stuble across your blog while looking for milf porn…you have some fun….that was a copmlete joke that was meant to get you worked up has much as i know it just did….
so have a nice ride for the next 3 years…its going to be a wild ride…and guess WHAT FOUR MORE YEARS SUCKERS!!!…were going to learn about evolution…same sex married couples….and the new marxist communsity of america….
YOU PARANOID FREAKS!…have fun at soccer practice…watch out for scary evil liberals….they may indoctorinate your kids….keep away and advise them how the scary man is lying to them and loves islam…and born in kenya…
yea we much rather kids learn everything they know from soccer mom and hockey moms
03 September 2009 | John Said:
please be nice and satisfy my Hollywood living…leftwing obama liberal loving self…and answer this..
You guys on here LOVE FOX and MORONS…I mean Fox and Friends in the morning dont you….please admit that and you will make me a happy person…
03 September 2009 | paul Said:
Oooo…this is fun and a challenge!
So not from LA…. hmmm…. i’m looking into my crystal ball…. how about the corner of Antioch and W63rd in Shawnee Mission, KS? Again… toooootally guessing here.
Though i don’t have a psych degree.
Can I guess your occupation and phone number too? PLEEEEASE
03 September 2009 | Kelli Said:
John – My goodness you are getting upset. I’ve been away from the computer for three hours and you’ve left 7 irrational, nonsensical arguments. Who are you arguing with? I don’t even understand what you’re saying half the time, unfortunately, what with all the name calling.
Now, I’ve debated deleting all of your comments, but I’m not sure that will be necessary. You seem to be digging a nice little hole for yourself here.
And, just to be clear – I’m not some FOX news groupie. In fact, I rarely watch the news at all. You don’t know anything about me, John, so please don’t make assumptions about what I watch, who I am or even what I believe. You’re only proving my point – you’ve got your own worldview and everything I’ve said has been processed through your worldview. Clearly our worldviews are different and that’s okay. What’s not okay is attacking me and my family when you don’t know what you’re talking about.
And, FYI – I’ve considered homeschooling and private school both. Again, in doing what we felt was right for our child and our family, we chose public school. Our decision, our choice, and it’s none of your business.
If you are offended by what you read here on my blog, then I would kindly ask you to not come by anymore. You are not obligated to read what I write. And I’m not obligated to keep your ridiculous comments either, so if they continue to be so rude, hateful and downright ridiculous, I will continue to delete them.
John, I don’t know who you are or what has happened in your life to make you so defensive and hateful, but I would greatly appreciate it if you would keep your opinions to yourself from here on out.
Seriously.
And let me tell you one more thing, attack me all you want – call me names, whatever, I can handle it. But if you say one more thing about my child, or make any remark regarding what type of kid you think he is, it’s over. You’re done. Understand? Don’t you DARE come after my kid.
03 September 2009 | DL Said:
John –
Blogs are moderated, therefore private. Please don’t confuse your ability to post with people caring what you post or taking it seriously. I take it the internet is the only place where people listen to you, but only because they have no choice.
Clearly you landed here by accident, and I believe you when you say you ended up here searching for “something else.”
03 September 2009 | Nicole @ Here's The Diehl Said:
I stopped reading all of John’s nonsensical posts and skipped to people who are really interested in having a conversation. Way to keep your cool, Kelli.
On another note, this story is finally getting some mainstream coverage: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32673334/ns/politics-white_house/
And I got good news from the principal at Luke’s school this morning: they will not be showing the speech. He and I had a nice discussion about where/when this type of address is appropriate. Maybe your district will follow in some neighboring schools’ footsteps…
03 September 2009 | Michelle Cox Said:
John can’t spell, doesn’t know the difference between “our” and “are” and his writing is nonsense. But he is passionate. (My Grandma says you should try to find one nice thing to say about someone.)
03 September 2009 | Julie Said:
I read the article Nicole. It sure has a lot of people in an uproar all across the country. Many believing the same thing you do Kelli. I wonder if a lot of parents will keep their kids out of school or if schools will not show it. I agree that it could have been something he could show later in the day when parents and kids could watch it together. IF it was just a speech telling about Obama and his upbringing that may be fine, but it does sounds more than that. And it sounds like because of all of this uproar that they have even changed their agenda with it. I had not heard about the letters he wanted the kids to write so they could help him out? That is ridiculous. Looks like that changed that too.
03 September 2009 | Kelli Said:
Another interesting article…
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2009/09/03/flashback-1991-gephardt-called-bushs-speech-students-paid-political-a
03 September 2009 | Jessica Said:
John, I think you are exposing your immaturity in the way you are trying to stir the pot. You obviously have your views…WE ALL KNOW THAT! (Sense the cap-lock sarcasm here.)
Kelli, I applaud you being a mom that advocates for her kids. If more people would do that for their kids, maybe truth would not be diluted to the point of being unrecognizable to most of our society. When everything is relative, then it’s hard to care about anything with passion. When people lose their passion, they live aimlessly, not wanting to work hard, looking for the next hand-out, afraid to completely start over if need be, and allowing their values to be defined by loud, minority groups or misguided celebrities. And maybe, John, we wouldn’t be in a nation of people who would overwhelmingly vote for someone who instates MORE government into our lives. It’s the domino effect. People care more and more about themselves, at the expense of others (including their family). Pretty soon family, parenting, values go out the window and suddenly people have no one to care for them, hence needing “government” to do it for them. I’m sorry, but America was not founded on those principles.
Since you mentioned it, let’s take homosexual marriage as a point. I believe strongly in the Biblical principles of marriage and family which is sorely being lost today. So if Kelli is concerned that over PUBLIC airways, her child would be forced to hear about same-sex marriage–to think it’s ok–then she has a right to be concerned.
I don’t watch Fox & Friends, so sorry I couldn’t make you happy. I live my life by the Bible, which if you read, you would see that our country was founded mainly upon. When a people move so far away from their foundation, things get off-course. And that is what our country is right now…off course. I wouldn’t want my kids at a very young age being polluted by liberal, relative ideas. A dirty well will only produce dirty water. Nobody wants to look back at why the well is dirty, they are just hoping that the dirty water will suddenly become clean. Not going happen.
I hear many leftist people these days saying, if you don’t like the New America then leave. Is that really what it has come to? Just because Washington has become liberal and leftist, does not mean they are truly representing the majority of Americans. True representation and hearing the voice of the people is a lost art now. The fact is, the majority of Americans still believe in heterosexual marriage. So why does my kid have to learn about the opposite at age 6 in school. Doesn’t sound like the voice of the people cutting through to me. Politicians are trying to push through their own agenda. The agendas have taken God completely out of our corporate life, and then everyone wonders why things are falling apart, why divorce isn’t even a second thought any more, why teenages are having babies that the rest of America has to pay for and raise. why children are failing in school without a care to their parents, why fathers beat and molest kids, why infidelity is laughed at, why women are sex objects (and desire to be), why suicide is so rampant, why people are controlled by addictions, etc, etc. The list goes on. And I won’t leave out ministers who “fall” either…they are away from God to be able to do such things.
My question is, if someone is drowning in the above-mentioned issues, dealing with several at any given moment, how can they truly be a life-giving, thriving, contributing member of society? I argue they can’t, thus the state of our country now, and our arrival at letting washington “fix” our problems.
I hear Kelli saying that she wants to be responsible to bring up responsible, moral children who in turn will be responsible, moral adults. This means knowing what is being taught to our kids and how to filter that in light of their beliefs. How many parents are truly living that way today? Too many parents are making the mistake of wanting someone else to teach and shape their kids. The president should not be allowed to use his political office to “shape” our children. Inspiring story? Yes. Good role model? Not in my book!
Respectfully…
03 September 2009 | Dusty Said:
Hey, John, time to put on your big-boy pants and quit crying. If you don’t like the blog, don’t read it. For those of us who have watched the spread of socialism in Cuba, Bolivia, and Venezuela, Obama seems to be following the same path of leaders that led these countries to ruin. If we choose to stand up for our children and ourselves, that is our freedom in action. You can take pot shots calling us morons and idiots if you want, but stupid is as stupid does.
03 September 2009 | John Said:
Hey I would like to apolgize…i wa just trying to start up a discussion…
I thought this was a blog for that ducssion…
i really wasnt wanting to come off has mean
03 September 2009 | E. Lehman Said:
First, thank you for caring enough to even be concerned with such a thing. Second, thank you for stating the point that parents (minus a few) ultimately want what is best for their child and therefore act accordingly. I think people miss that sometimes and therefore respond to others’ actions/comments unjustly. And third…
Can I just encourage you that, as you said in previous posts, your most important mission field is at home. Daily. For 6 years you have taught him truth. For many more, you will continue to do so. Though attempts will be made to cloud it, truth will always remain true. Rest in that. And rest in the impact that ministry has made already.
I truly mean not to be just some peppy polly that isn’t recognizing the destructive path of this country, and of the serious nature of the concern behind the principles of this speech. I do. And I am concerned. But there is a greater hope. God Is Faithful. Use this situation to teach about how the world often views things differently, but it doesn’t mean it is true. The world offers that, but this is greater. The world will tell you that, but this is God’s word.
You never know, God may be planning to use this viewing in classrooms around the country for children of all ages to offer words of truth to their peers and teachers…pray that is the case.
Well, I stumbled onto this blog long ago, and I’ve never commented. What a time to start, huh? I just really felt like doing so today though more than any other.
03 September 2009 | John Said:
I was seriousoly wanting to rile up the feathers for real dicussion..sometimes it comes off moronish…ha ha…
but really wouldnt you agree we do need change from the way obama is taking the country?…I seriously agree with you…but I do think we should look at winning and not hiding…
Your blog needs to keep up…and your a good writer..who brings up good family values like the rest of us…
03 September 2009 | John Said:
I also think your blog can be super helpful….more people need to read it…and I mean that for real…I stumbled on it because i heard it no fox and friends this morning about obama talking and was curious what people were saying…
but more people in the community like you need to keep stepping up to tell what they think…I AM SO happy to hear those are really your views….because I do think for 8 years the other side did get talking points from the news only not personal thoughts…so way to be differnt…we do have hope for real change…
03 September 2009 | Dani Said:
Wow, this got heated today!
Kelli- when you first posted a status about this yesterday, I had no idea what you were talking about, as I do not watch news or have kids in school to know about the President broadcasting into the classroom next week. So my initial thought when I read your status yesterday was, good for her wanting to know more about what is being taught to her child. I thought the same today after reading the blog, and before all the comments were left.
After reading all the comments, it shouldn’t matter if it a republican, democrat, libral, conservative, whatever politician, we should know as parents what is being taught to our children, politically and religiously. It doesn’t matter if it is a politian we agree with or even voted for speaking to our kids, it’s still our right to filter and help our children understand. We are called to raise our children with strong morals and values instilled in them, so when they grown older, they have a strong enough conviction to them to make the right choices. I would want to be there, and if schools are not allowing parents to be there, then my child wouldn’t be in school that day. We would watch it at home together and discuss it together. I applaud parents that are willing to stand up and speak out for their children. Too many parents just don’t care, and we need more parents that are concerned with what their children are learning in schools.
Good post today Kelli!
03 September 2009 | whitney Said:
awesome, kelli. made me sick to my stomach to think of what we would do if we were in that situation yet. the scary thing is that children are taught that adults and persons in positions of honor should be listened to, and to that end, it makes what most adults say to them be the truth, and be right. how are they supposed to be able to NOT believe everything he tells them. kind of like a hypnotist to their little brains. ugh. thanks for the thoughts.
03 September 2009 | Erin Said:
Kelli,
You concern is certainly understandable, and I think I would be worried too if I had a child in their very first year of school already faced with something potentially contrary to their beliefs. I’m anxious to hear what you decide to do.
At some point in his ranting, John called the pres. a “Great” man with a capital G. I think that emphasizes your point that some people choose to put him on a pedistal that we are not comfortable with. Even the best pres. we could ever hope for would not deserve a capital G. There’s only One that we serve that deserves that.
03 September 2009 | John Said:
My kid is not in school yet..so i guess my viewpoint will probably change once they reach the public schools….
does anybody homeschool? how is that?
but let me know because I am learning…Does it make me a bad parent to not be concerened about that…
and is it because its Obama or because its politics for a 6 years old that makes it bad?…hey just learning…your all way more experienced then in this…so its interesting to hear…
03 September 2009 | John Said:
hey do the blog a favor and delete the rant…it was there to get people to the blog and dicuss the real deal…
I honestly dont think we have to even wait until 2012 election…things will get taken care of in 2010 midterm just like it did in 94…then just wait it out…
but looks like the blog is gaining steam so that is wonderful news to hear…
03 September 2009 | John Said:
i just read a few of your posts kelli…and I was wrong…I thought you were going to be the standard bush loving obama hating person…through your writing you are not that person…you actually did have an open mind about the whole election thing…even though you disagreed…so please forgive me…
but whoa I would never bring your fam into it…that is insane ….i hate when they do it on TV and they ask for it…i have a kid to and am way protective has well…
I was questiioning the idea of home schooling ect…not what you would peronsally do persay…
btw I KNOW my handwriting is not good…i am not blessed in that way…but i have many other talents which I am thankful for…..
03 September 2009 | John Said:
so please dont kick me off your blog..i rarely find strong minded people who just arent duplicates of Fox people…It so refreshing…so I apolgize again for my jerkiness …
if you can handle the spelling/gramatical errors that is…
03 September 2009 | Kelli Said:
Wow – all I can say is, I NEVER expected this on my blog today. Thanks to everyone for participating and for your (mostly) amazing thoughts and well thought out responses (again, mostly).
E. Lehman – I especially thank you for reminding us that God is so much bigger than politics. Very well said and a much appreciated encouragement.
MY whole goal in discussing this today was to make people aware that we as parents have not only the right but also the responsibility to know what our children are being fed. And I’m not alone in that desire or thought, apparently. You all are amazing – really, seriously, amazing!
03 September 2009 | John Said:
kelli…i was seriously wanting your thought on where I may be making a mistake…I really am concerned to over what kids learn..I did agree with you and think its crazy they would let people under highschool even watch…
but…my question is for any who can help…
should i be more concerend if my kid were to hear a success story about the life of our president…not to say he is a good president or what…but when you grow up many kids say they want to be pres and dont…and he did…
and what would be the way in the future i could open the subject with them about stuff like that when they wont get it?
03 September 2009 | Kelli Said:
My disaggreement is not necessarily about them learning about Obama’s upbringing. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with learning those facts. However, learning those facts and reading about his upbringing right AFTER they’ve heard him speak in their rooms is a little much. Therein lies my concern. And really, if they’re going to learn about Obama’s background, why shouldn’t they learn about the backgrounds of ALL the Presidents. Obama’s not the only guy to scrape his way to the top.
It’s all about the perception of the event that is planned to ake place on Tuesday – that’s all…
03 September 2009 | John Said:
well i am glad i searched for what peoples views were about this and found your blog…gotta watch who you hear from..
good point about that…i love lincolns story best personally…
well will you accept my apology and forgive me for my behavior?
03 September 2009 | John Said:
btw all the other peoples blogs out there on this subject i found really were just politcally charged blogs both ways…i think i got worked up because of the other few and thought yours were same way..which THEY ARE NOT…you have honest good writing..and really do bring up real things…
03 September 2009 | Kelli Said:
John – forgiveness granted. It would really be nice to have a more personal discussion about this, though. If you have anything else you would live to add or say, please email me at kellistuart00 (at) hotmail (dot) com. Thanks.
03 September 2009 | John Said:
DL,…
Do you agree or disagree that things are heading in the wrong track right now with the socialized medicine, business, and higher taxes and inflation…
I seriously agree with you…and the rest hear…but I am afraid (because i know a lot of them) the people obama represents…are not really scary evil people I was making the sarcastic remarks about…but just misinformed people…but I differ on hiding from them…but i dont think just comprimising is good ethier..
but does keeping your kids away from it work? or is the better suggestion to expose them to it and explain it? I dont claim to know which but am open to ideas
03 September 2009 | John Said:
thanks for letting me ask my personal questions via email…that will be a big help…
apolgies to the group on here…i really dont think you are morons or idiots …i was right there with the rest of us in nov…
but i really am concerned we need a new game plan to beat obama in 12′….i think newt has a chance…
03 September 2009 | John Said:
Hey here is the real my wife is a friend of yours on facebook…I seriously APOLGIZE for messing with you
03 September 2009 | John Said:
please LEAVE me and my work out of this…I am a right wing person…but this hit me has a sore subject….
I REALLY REALLY do apolgize…but i will leave…but please leave me alone
03 September 2009 | John Said:
I just was on the computer and saw it was on my wifes board and saw the post…i really did just want to stir the pot…I agree w/ most on this board…but then it got out of hand…I am a normal guy…and just differed on the subject…but please dont harm my family by putting my job in jepardy…you will find me to be a quite normal god fearing person…
03 September 2009 | Kelli Said:
John – I’m not going to go after your job, and I do know who you are. I figured it out pretty quickly. But, please, it’s time to stop digging the hole. You made your point, we made ours. If you have anything else to say, just email me!
03 September 2009 | John Said:
i did email you you havent responded…
it just freaked me out when my wife freaked out…messaged me the facebook posts…and was like one of our friends is hunting you down…and encourging others to call your work …thats pretty personal…
i got worried…because the one thing internet is poor on is inflection…..has a writer you have the gift to make a picture…has EVERYONE here sees i flat out dont have that gift…please request on your facebook to pull the dogs off and that i wasnt trying to harass…
let me know if you didnt get my email…i sent it to you i thought
03 September 2009 | John Said:
paul…its a 180 because i was seriously trying to rile your feathers to get people talking..without it…blogs get boring…yes i did find it from my wifes facebook…and it looked interesting…catchy name…
so i posted on it…but it went wild…i dont like the way you threw my personal stuff on here..I have a family and kids….#1 your trying to affect my job #2 my personal biz puts my fam at risk…I was trying to stir up debate…using the buzz words…
but i request you do not post my personal info because your good w/ ocmputers
03 September 2009 | John Said:
i am wondering if theyre is a better place for discussion like this? if so please recommend and will play there with you
03 September 2009 | paul Said:
Anyone ever see Peewee’s Big Adventure as a kid… I thought it was funny. There’s no basement in the Alamo!
classic.
03 September 2009 | John Said:
well it really is scary what the govt could do if it starts tracking us…look how easy paul pulled all my most personal info….i do not apprcieate you sharing it to the world…that hurts…my wife is freaking out scared now…so to calm her down please delete that…
but wow what a world we live in…i will leave it to kelly or the other posters here to deside if you want me to leave or stay…i found the group by starting trouble..but my feelings are in line w/ the group…if you want me to leave IM GONE….if your willing to let me stay..please let me know its ok to stay…i wont be a bother..
03 September 2009 | Tiffany Nevil Said:
I’m a little scared to post with this “John” guy lurking in here attacking everyone who posts a comment… But I know you wouldn’t be a fan of that.
Nice post Kel, well-spoken and articulated.
I don’t think Obama intended for this to be a propaganda thing; he probably thought he was being young and hip and cool. And I agree, I don’t have a problem (totally) with the fact that they are airing his speech in school. I have a problem with the White House’s discussion questions afterwords.
This quote by Jim Greer resonated with me because I vividly recall being ostracized in college for not being a liberal democrat:
“The address scheduled for September 8, 2009, does not allow for healthy debate on the President’s agenda, but rather obligates the youngest children in our public school system to agree with our President’s initiatives or be ostracized by their teachers and classmates.”
I am glad the schools are being given the option of whether or not they will air the address. But this gets a little scary beyond that for a whole host of reasons.
03 September 2009 | John Said:
once again tiffany i find this particular subject a touch subject perse…i am not lurking to attack! far from it…you posted honest straight forward thought that i can take home and share with my fam the pro’s and cons of it…
i do agree the lack of debate is BS>…that is not fun what happend at college…but many colleges are set up to be sided towards the left which is wrong…
why are they taking time to air it anyways instead of working on classwork?
03 September 2009 | John Said:
I am going to leave your blog since nobody thinks I am genuine…my feelings are really hurt…and I feel stupid for starting that way today…how in the heck would you now my sarcasim when you dont know me….probably would creep most of you out…I see how that looks from your perspective….so not much for salvaging anything that could be positive…I do wish you guys the best and we all should have the right to raise our families the best way we know how…
03 September 2009 | Kelli Said:
Oh goodness, John. I did delete your personal information. And, to be honest, I wouldn’t have started tracking you if you hadn’t insinuated that you found my blog while out hunting for pornography. Your words, not mine. That’s why I was concerned. I don’t usually write baout politics on my blog, and today I addressed something in a relatively non-threatening way. You made it threatening.
So don’t worry – your info is not out there and if you don’t want people to start tracking you down again, be very careful how you try to “start conversation.” I had you pinned as some crazy creep due to your over the top comments. There’s a better way to get people talking.
03 September 2009 | John Said:
good point point taken…what a stupid comment that was of mine…but seriously …and I dont mean this in a mean way…when i heard the name of the blog…i thought HOW CLEVER…but when i searched for it…some SICK stuff come up because of how SICK people can be…thats the only reason it even popped up in my mind…to bad google cant keep that out…i mean seriously what if a kid was looking for your blog……
thank you for deleting that btw….
i honestly think you would laugh if you knew how much our families had in common….but this was a horribly stupid way of me to get to know somebody…ha ha…but wow what a creep i must have come off has….WOW….
one day i will be a better writer…i speak better then write…dont know how that goes…
03 September 2009 | Candy martin Said:
I am proud of you Kelli for the way you have handled this blog today, Your concerns were well written. You handled the attacks from John extremely well, although knowing you as I do, you probably had “fire”eyes” typing some of your replies. You have always been one to stand firm on what you believe. Have a good weekend and kids my babies for me.
Mom
03 September 2009 | lindsey Said:
I was thinking the same thing, Mom Martin!:) Wow, Kell. I bet you never thought today’s post would be so exhausting and interesting!!!:) I agree– you did a wonderful job of moderating this thread with grace and Christ-likeness. Good job, dear friend. …And on the subject matter of today’s actual post, you made me thankful today that my babies are not yet school-aged:) …sooo much to think/pray through!
03 September 2009 | Jessica Said:
Boy, Kelli, I popped back on here to leave you a note and am jaw-dropped at 61 comments! Holy cow.
Anyway, this topic is still heating up on Facebook. I happened to vote in a FB poll on the school broadcast and suddenly people were all over me for voting no. I didn’t even leave comments or anything initially until I was feeling attacked. Crazy!
II Timothy 3:12 is ringing true!
04 September 2009 | Katie Said:
Kelli,
Your kiddos are very lucky to have involved parents and parents that can help them make good choices. But sadly in this world, not all children are so lucky to have that. I belive that president Obama’s speech is geared toward children in inner city and rural communities that don’t have that support system needed to help them stay in school and achieve their goals. Drop out rates in these communities are very high because they don’t have supportive parents or goals for their education. I think the reason he has chosen to speak during the school day is because many of these children maybe don’t have television, or they are doing other things unproductively outside of school, or maybe because he knows they don’t have parents that will sit down with them and talk about the issues of education. I think this is a great thing that he is doing for the children of those communities to get them motivated.
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10 September 2009 | Tammy Said:
Hi Kelly,
I found your blog through Wendy’s blog. I’ve enjoyed reading from time to time. I read this particular entry (and all the comments) and have been giving the issue a great deal of though.
Our son just started Kindergarten at the local elementary school. My husband grew up in the public school system, and I agreed to give it a go. I, like you, feel it is very important to stay connected and know what’s going on in our children’s schools.
At first, I was relieved to hear that our district had opted out of showing the President’s address. Lately, however, I have mixed feelings on the issue.
Yes, I agree it is a dangerous precedence to set to allow the President into the classroom directly whenever he wants. But, thankfully in this situation, he was being held accountable. The address was made public before-hand, so there would be no surprises. We were even given the opportunity to opt out if we wanted to.
This is what I realized the past few days: While dwelling on all that could go wrong, I forgot to see the positives this could bring about as well.
My first positive thought: How exciting for the children (who learn about their president and recite the Pledge of Allegiance in school every day) to have that same President desire to speak directly to them. So many other accomplished people in this world make no time for children. What a great way for the President to show these young children that he’s not too busy to care about them personally. He made it very clear that the young people in this country are important to Him – and to this country. Our school principals are allowed to address the children on the first day of classes, why shouldn’t he be? When else do our children get the opportunity to hear their President talking to them on their level in words they can understand. How thoughtful.
Second, I have no clue what Stephen’s teachers are teaching him from day to day. Public school teachers have a wide variety of differing beliefs. Yes, they are not supposed to share those beliefs with their students, but our ideas have a way of touching every thing we do. They can even come across in ways we are totally unaware of sometimes. Like you, I can not possibly be in the class room with my son every minute of the day to hear what of those beliefs they are “sharing” with my child. That’s a risk we take in sending our child to public school. We send them off with a prayer, we teach them to discern between right and wrong, we try to keep our eyes and ears open, but the fact remains: We’re limited in how we can protect our child. And, obviously they don’t tell us everything, so how are we possibly to know it all. At least the President’s address was published the day before and we were completely in the know – and even given the option to opt-out if needed. Our teachers are not held to that same level of accountability. THIS scares me more.
All my political, personal, and spiritual differences with the President aside, I think Katie made a great point. What the President was trying to do here is a GREAT thing. He’s speaking love and encouragement into the lives of our young people. Who of us doesn’t respond positively when someone we admire comes alongside us and says, “You can do it! I believe in you!” For some, all it takes is ONE person to stand up and say that to them and suddenly they start to believe it for themselves – suddenly they can move forward. Now, what’s the harm in that? In my eyes, when a leader takes the time to empower children to greatness…that is true leadership.
And I just read the entire speech. AWESOME! I could say those things to my child, and he would listen. But, when the PRESIDENT OF THE USA gets up and says those things TO HIM, you better believe he takes notice. It’s like this: A girl’s daddy can tell her every day that she’s pretty. But, when the guy she’s interested in at school tells her the same thing (or one of the popular girls she looks up to) – THEN it takes on a whole new meaning. THEN SHE’S OVER THE MOON and will believe it for the rest of her life. That’s the power the president has – and thankfully he chose to use it for our children’s good this time around.
There was not one thing in that speech that would harm my child. That doesn’t mean there won’t be in the next one, but I’m saddened to think of all the kids who may have missed out on the power of that speech TO THEM because their district didn’t show it or their parents were too busy to record it and show it to them once they got home.
His speech was very caring: “I understand this is your first day and you might be nervous…” Very personable: “This was my experience as a student. I know what you are going through.” Very motivational and honest – getting kids to take ownership of their own futures.”Every single one of you has something you are good at. Every single one of you has something to offer.”
Believe it or not, there are children out there who have never heard anyone say that to them. To hear the President say it to them….well, it might as well be their favorite rock star. That’s how powerful his words are. That’s just the way it is.
I understand the concern in sharing details from his past. But, honestly, this speech would have fallen on deaf ears had he left it out. His story is what makes others believe they too can amount to something. He’s not just some rich guy who had life handed to him on a silver platter. He persevered. He worked hard. It wasn’t all a bed of roses. He shared his personal history without too many details – just enough so kids would know that have someone who understands them – someone they can look up to.
Now, with that said..IF he were to start broadcasting his speeches without any sort of accountability or pre-filtering…THEN we start to worry. You are right to keep your eyes open, Kelly. You are right to be concerned. Thankfully this time around, we weren’t kept in the dark – and thankfully, at the end of this round our kids are actually better off because of it.
10 September 2009 | Kelli Said:
Thanks for your words, Tammy. I agree with you – the President’s address was inspiring. And, truthfully, I wasn’t worried that he would be political in the classroom. I didn’t expect him to be so foolish.
The sad fact of the matter is that I don’t trust our President or his administration and I think the flack he took for this address is indicative of that distrust. That is a sad thing. And I’m glad people raised an uproar, because if we hadn’t, I’m pretty sure his speech wouldn’t have been made available the day before. Our diligence in protecting our children ensured that we knew exactly what would be said to them.
That’s our job as parents – to hold our elected leaders responsible and to ensure that our children’s minds and hearts are being protected. Lee and I do plan to show Sloan the speech as I agree with you – it’s motivating. But, my position stands that no elected official has the right usurp my authority in my child’s life – ESPECIALLY when he is so young and fragile. I would much rather watch that message at home with Sloan than him see it without me.
Now – I would feel differently if he were older – as in a teenager. I would not object to him seeing it at school if he were in high school – again, as long as I had the option of viewing the speech first and the assurance that the teachers would remain neutral in their discussions.
I really appreciate your comments, Tammy. Thanks so much for sharing.
10 September 2009 | Tammy Said:
Yes, I do see you point as far as their age goes. Though it is special for them to hear their president at any age, it means more if viewed alongside those who care most for him.
I agree with you when you say it wouldn’t have been made accessible beforehand had people not voiced their concerns. In that regard, it is good to see the voice of the people is still heard – and responded to at that.
May I ask where you get your news order to stay on top of the issues. It would be helpful to have a trustworthy site for this sort of information.
I also really enjoyed your entry on vaccines. Great job, Kelly! Say hello to Lee for me.
10 September 2009 | Kelli Said:
Well, I don’t necessarily have a single place where I get my news. I kind of listen to everyone, though I try to avoid CNN because they tend to make me angry…
I do listen to and read Fox News, but lest anyone call me some kind of cronie, I also watch on occasion MSNBC, CBS, ABC and I read both USA Today on line as well as Fox News.
As far as blogging, I tend to stick with conservative bloggers because I relate to them. That’s not overly helpful, I know. Sorry about that.
10 September 2009 | Marsha Said:
In response to your paragraphs:
I had more than one person respond or email me asking me why in the world I would be uncomfortable with the President’s address to students. And my response is, why shouldn’t I be? Even if the President speaking to my child was a man I had personally voted for, I would still be vigilant about wanting to know what would be said to my child before, during and after such a broadcast.
My child is six years old. It is my job to be his advocate. It’s my duty to ensure that what he’s being fed at school matches with the morals, values and worldview that we share as a family. And, if what he hears doesn’t match with our viewpoint, then it’s my job to help him process the new information he’s received and filter it through the lens of his developing worldview
I stumbled on your blog.. sorry. Very interesting debate going on. I am a very conservative Republican. I have a Sophomore in H.S. and a 2nd grader. So, I have 10 school years experience on what kids hear in school and are subjected to. These two go to a public school.
You have your hands full if you want to accomplish paragraph number 2 above in a public school system. I would suggest home schooling or a Catholic school. (We sent my step daughter to a Catholic H. School and was very pleased with her education). I don’t like the state of our world any better than anyone else but it is so DIVERSE in every aspect that there isn’t anything you can actively do about it if you want your child to learn how to socially interact in an intelligent way in any kind of environment. Yes, you can keep them home from school when things like this happen. I did not vote for Obama. I don’t necessarily like Obama. He is the President of the United States. I had no qualms that the President of the United States was going to say anything detrimental to my child (our schools didn’t show it, by the way). I teach my children to respect the President of the United States. My children are to respect their elders, their teachers included. They may not agree with them, but you respect them and their positions that they hold – like them or hate them. I have taught my children (well, the 7 yr. old not quite yet) to hear another’s opinion and know that is just that – an opinion. My 15 yr. old has friends who are very socially AWKWARD, BACKWARD, HAVE TROUBLE MAKING FRIENDS, CAN’T VOICE THEIR OPINIONS, DON’T DO WELL AT ALL IN SOCIAL SITUATIONS because their parents have sheltered them from situations just like this. It is my job as a parent to discuss with them my thoughts on the subject(s) – their thoughts on the subject(s) and why I think the way I do. I wasn’t concerned at all that the President was going to state anything other than what he stated in this particular address. I guess I am naive. I doubt my 7 yr. old even knows this address occurred. I didn’t tell him – he IS SEVEN. If they would’ve shown it, I would’ve talked to him about it when he got home. My 7 year old is too worried about who is gonna play catch with him when he gets home from school. I am rambling now, but MY POINT IS there is no way you will ever know what your teacher is relaying to your child verbally, or non-verbally and yes, I think you will be a parent that is in the office or on the phone quite a bit with the school if you want to try and control what your child hears at school and/or how he perceives it. Ya just gotta deal with that stuff in your own home and keep the lines of communication going between you and your child. Parenting starts and ends at home. When they are out of your care is the “in between” time you hope they have listened to you. But, I am speaking from experience with my 15 year old. Just wait, they don’t grow up with your ideals the way you thought they would when they were 6. They have their own opinions and I cherish that. Don’t you want them to think for themselves whether you agree with it or not? I take my kids to church every Sunday and guess what? When they are 18 or 21 or 35 they could God forbid turn athiest. And it will all be out of my control. I get you are trying to protect your child. Good for you. I just wanted you to hear from someone who has been there done that and it is an uphill battle trying to raise kids the way we (or I at least) was raised.. with good moral values, etc. etc… it is so hard nowadays.
12 September 2009 | Kelli Said:
Marsha,
You’re right. It’s high expectations to think I’ll alwasy know what’s happening in my child’s class, but it’s still my goal to be very aware and very much a part of his education. We are considering private school, at least someday perhaps, but for now we do have a peace about sending him to public school.
That being said, I grew up with a mom who was uber-involved in our schooling. She was homeroom mom, PTA mom, party mom – she was everywhere. As a kid, I know it sometimes bothered me, but I understand now. She was doing her job. She was making sure that she knew what was going on in the situations I was placed in. And as much as it bothered me (especially as a teen) I’m so grateful to her for that now.
I’m simply following suit. That is the example I had for a mother and it is natural for me to fall into that role myself. I don’t mind being THAT mom – the one that’s always there, always calling the principal, and so on. I take it as my job. Some people may say I’m being overbearing, but I don’t agree. I’m being cautious.
And truth be told, I will be the same mom whether or not my children are in public or private school. I am glad that my mom instilled in me the confidence and wisdom to know that there is no greater responsibility than being my child’s advocate. Perhaps my take on that is a little more stringent than others and I will likely loosen up a little after I’ve gotten a few years of school age children under my belt. But for now, as I’m navigating these new waters I’m in, this is the mom I need to be.
Thanks for your comment.
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